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Emails - Collieries Around Mapperley (Derbyshire)

Mapperley

Roy Foulkes - I believe the photo is a guy called Jack Buxton from Langley Mill
Helen Coan - With WW1 centenary celebration being prepared is anyone looking at the miners contribution?
Helen Coan - Looking for information about Herbert Green who lived in Stanley, worked at Stanley Pit and WW1
Cathryn Walton - Looking for Information, Francis Calvert Gillette and Robert Henry Robinson were Mining Engineers near Mapperley ALSO the Bayeux Tapestry replica - the Leek Embroidery Society - Thomas a dyer and his wife Elizabeth Wardle who started the Embroidery Society
Tony Frost - Looking for Information, My Grandad Ernest Frost of Mapperley Brook


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Roy Foulkes
9 December 2016
I believe the photo is a guy called Jack Buxton from Langley Mill

I believe the photo in the Photo Gallery is a guy called Jack Buxton from Langley Mill. In the 1980s when I was one of the local policemen at Langley Mill I used to visit Jack and his wife Cissie and this photo held pride of place.

Roy

Gallery

Mapperley Gallery
Also spotted that this has appeared on the site of the former Stanley Colliery.


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Helen Coan
6 April 2013
Looking for information about Herbert Green who lived in Stanley, worked at Stanley Pit and WW1

Fionn, I'm researching family members who worked at Stanley pit and trying to find out if they volunteered or were called up in WW1. In particular I'm looking for information about Herbert Green who lived in Stanley. In November 1917 he was working down the pit according to his marriage certificate and in April 1918 when his first child was born he was still a miner yet his family have WW1 War and Victory medals for him. Apparently he was once President of the West Hallam British Legion which included Stanley Village.

With WW1 centenary celebration being prepared is anyone looking at the miners’ contribution?

And at Mapperley History.com

Any help appreciated.
Helen

Roger Wood
3 Jan 2015
Herbert Green (1893-1980)


Herbert is named on the Stanley St. Andrew's church porch memorial. Roll of Honour 1914-1919. The names listed are those who fought and served in the Great War. Herbert Green is listed as serving with the Royal Field Artillery (Gunner).

Details of his service number, rank, regiment will be found impressed on the rim of each of his Service medals.

The Mapperley colliery company erected a memorial hall on Station Road West Hallam. On the outside wall of the building a list of the 66 men who died in the war was provided on a tiled memorial. This was saved and re-erected by the church gates of St. Wilfrid's West Hallam village. (See the Mapperley History website for details). Herbert was the eldest son of Montague Green and his wife Susannah Green (Pacey). Herbert was born at Stanley Common 8th September 1893. He worked at the Stanley Colliery. Surviving the war he married Doris Mary Disney (1897-1973) in September 1917. They had three children Alwyn, Doreen and Edith Olive Green.

Hope this is of help in your research. Further information can be gathered from the details given on the service medals.

Roger Wood (West Hallam)

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Fionn, Many thanks for that. I know William Daykin Disney is on both the Church and the stone memorial outside West Hallam Churchs. I hadn't realised the other plaque was specifically those who worked for the Mapperley Company. The problem is the medals that the Green family have do not have the same number on them that the medal roll card shows!  Herbert was injured and spent time in a hospital in Buxton.

You may remember that Samuel Disney was presented with a watch in 1905 for his roll helping in a mine accident in which 4 lost their lives. Samuel and his son Samuel Thomas both enlisted in the Royal Engineers on the same day. Both were discharged at some point and awarded an SWB. I suspect they were in tunnelling companies but have not been able to find out. Can give you more precise details if you are interested. 

Helen

Regarding War Service.

There are several alternatives. It is more than likely he volunteered for service as thousands did. There were volunteers from every pit in the Midlands area. Some were desperate to get away from mining and that seemed a way out. Even 4 of the bosses at Barber Walker Co at Eastwood volunteered and left only one elderly manager in charge of all their pits. Some pits were not able to cope and produce coal efficiently and output began to drop. As they did in the second World War the Government took over the running of the mines for a period in the First World War and rationing was brought in. Coal was very necessary for home and war effort and output was falling. It was thought that the war would be 'over by Christmas' so the Colliery Companies were not too worried to start with about the lack of manpower.

Of course the war dragged on for 4 years. It is possible that he was sent back to the mines being an experienced miner. You do not say how old he was. He could have been too young for a soldier and sent back.

Many men from our area volunteered and due to their expertise were used on tunnelling duties under the German lines from our trenches. They became known as the Tunnelling Corps. It is possible he was wounded.

Even though they would not be classed as A1 fit, jobs were found back at the pits for some men for their experience and some although they only had one leg for example were found work on the pit top because they were desperate for men. It was the young men that had left leaving the old and middle aged and young boys to carry on.

If he had a war pension it can be checked and it will give exact dates of his service etc as I found in my Grandad's details.
There are no details of individuals at pits unless they were management or were killed or sometimes noted if they were seriously injured.

I hope this information is useful.

Bob Bradley

From: Terry Hall
Sent: 26 April 2013 19:04
Subject: Re: Mines and WW1 - Response Herbert Green Stanley

Hi

Hope the following information helps.

1. All Parishioners who 'went to war' from the Parish of Stanley, Stanley and Smalley Common are recorded on a memorial sheet. One is in the War Memorial Porch of Stanley Church and the other In All Saints Church at Stanley Common. This list includes the survivors, with asterisks naming the dead! I renovated the Stanley one with Bernard Waltars and Rolls Royce help about ten years ago as it was rotting away. I do not have a copy at home or the list of all the names to refer to.

2. I did try some years ago to trace any history of Stanley RBL but as the branches folded in the early 1900's many were amalgamated with Horsley Woodhouse which appeared and in theory is still the Rural RBL for this part of Derbyshire but I could find no useful information or knowledge.

Stanley history is very vague and I have spent many hours at Matlock and even the war memorial appears to have omissions but it took an effort to get the present Parish Council to accept responsibility for the war memorial and they are not interested in omissions.

3. I know you would have considered this but Roger did a book on the West Hallam casualties but whether he is aware of any records like the one in Stanley of those that went I do not know.

4. Unfortunately many Service records of those that served in WWI were destroyed by bombing in WWII.

The surviving records are stored at Kew and can be costly to retrieve and then not guaranteed.

I had the same problem trying to source my grandfather who served Sherwood Foresters in WWI throughout the war.

5. Ref the medals. (From Internet information)
The medal was issued to all those who received the 1914 Star or the 1914-15 Star, and to most of those who were awarded the British War Medal - it was never awarded singly. These three medals were sometimes irreverently referred to as Pip, Squeak and Wilfred. My own Grandfather had these three medals. I also know from war archives and history that miners were recruited for their unique skills of mining. There are many stories of mining under the enemy trenches to blow up the enemy and many massive tunnels were mined as first aid stations and rest from the shelling of the front line so he could have been called up for service in this unique field. Much of this work is even today still being established and the reticence of the men who served in these days meant much of the history was never told

5. If I think of anything else will advise but the Remembrance Boards may be the first stop. If you do not live in the local area let me know and I will have a look at the records at the church and advise accordingly.

Best of luck with your research
Terry Hall

Pip, Squeak and Wilfred

1914 Star and 1914-15 Star
PIP
British War Medal 1914 - 1920
SQUEAK
Victory Medal 1914 - 1918
WILFRED


WW1

Back From The Field Of Conflict And Lost Their Lives In The Pits
The South Wales Echo, Monday 27th March 1995


I know Herbert is on the Stanley Church memorial as a Gunner. His family say he was injured and in Buxton hospital for quite a long time but I can't find evidence of this. I was hoping that if he was President of the West Hallam British Legion, as family says, then there may be some information in their records of his service. The family has his medals War and Victory . With Centenary memorial next year some more information about him might come to light.
Thanks for your reply.

Helen


From: Terry Hall
Sent: 28 April 2013

I am aware that all the little RBL Branches, after WWI, defaulted to the Rural Centre of Horsley Woodhouse. This branch is still in existence and still has its own building and HQ in the village.

I spoke to Don Barham, the Chairman, and gave him the information you have forwarded to me about Herbert Green. If you do have any other information it would make life easier.

The question I asked Don was, are there any archive history books of minutes or anything on Stanley and West Hallam Branches. The answer is possibly!! Apparently there is archive material going back many, many, years but Don will have to check how far they go back and he is going to check the 'Memorial Hall' tomorrow when he is there to see how far and what is available.

I would suggest you to contact Don direct via email. I do not know where you live (near or far?) but would suggest you may need to make an appointment to visit the Memorial Hall in Horsely Woodhouse to plough through books which I know from experience can be a time consuming job. However, if the minute books do exist then most records from this time will list the members attending what meeting. I hope this information is of help?

I have forwarded the history with this email so Don is up to speed with the background to your enquiry and I am sure he will assist all he can. I myself will also be interested in this revelation of old information and would appreciate being kept in the picture as I do have some abnormalities on WWI service of some names from both Stanley and Stanley Common. It would also be interesting to see if there is any news on the Stanley War Memorial as well as I spent hours at Matlock Archives but could find out very little.

Regards

Terry Hall
Stanley Village


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Cathryn Walton
18 March 2013
Looking for Information, Francis Calvert Gillette and Robert Henry Robinson were Mining Engineers near Mapperley ALSO the Bayeux Tapestry replica - the Leek Embroidery Society - Thomas a dyer and his wife Elizabeth Wardle who started the Embroidery Society

Hello
I am a local historian and author currently researching a book about the needlewomen who stitched the famous replica of the Bayeux Tapestry who were members of the Leek Embroidery Society. One of these women was the daughter of Francis Calvert Gillette and the other the sister of Robert Henry Robinson. Francis Calvert Gillett and Robert Henry Robinson were both mining engineers, who worked at a Derbyshire mine, near Mapperley.

I have learned from your site that these families may have worked together and would like any other information if possible.

Also I wonder if anyone knows of a connection between these families and Leek or between them and Thomas and Elizabeth Wardle, Thomas was a dyer and his wife started the Embroidery Society.

Kindest Regards

Cathryn Walton
Local Historian and Genealogist


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Tony Frost
12 March 2013
Looking for Information, My Grandad Ernest Frost of Mapperley Brook

Just looking at the site want to find out more. My grandad Ernest Frost of Mapperley Brook used to take me walking all over the area when I was a kid. He used to tell me stories and get me lifts in the trucks when it was Shands. Just wondered if you know of him or worked with him. He used to work at the pit but knew everyone involved in Shands.

Any help would be great

Tony Frost