From: Terry Hall
Sent: 26 April 2013 19:04
Subject: Re: Mines and WW1 - Response Herbert Green Stanley
Hope the following information helps.
1. All Parishioners who 'went to war' from the Parish of Stanley, Stanley and Smalley Common are recorded on a memorial sheet. One is in the War Memorial Porch of Stanley Church and the other In All Saints Church at Stanley Common. This list includes the survivors, with asterisks naming the dead! I renovated the Stanley one with Bernard Waltars and Rolls Royce help about ten years ago as it was rotting away. I do not have a copy at home or the list of all the names to refer to.
2. I did try some years ago to trace any history of Stanley RBL but as the branches folded in the early 1900's many were amalgamated with Horsley Woodhouse which appeared and in theory is still the Rural RBL for this part of Derbyshire but I could find no useful information or knowledge.
Stanley history is very vague and I have spent many hours at Matlock and even the war memorial appears to have omissions but it took an effort to get the present Parish Council to accept responsibility for the war memorial and they are not interested in omissions.
3. I know you would have considered this but Roger did a book on the West Hallam casualties but whether he is aware of any records like the one in Stanley of those that went I do not know.
4. Unfortunately many Service records of those that served in WWI were destroyed by bombing in WWII.
The surviving records are stored at Kew and can be costly to retrieve and then not guaranteed.
I had the same problem trying to source my grandfather who served Sherwood Foresters in WWI throughout the war.
5. Ref the medals. (From Internet information)
The medal was issued to all those who received the 1914 Star or the 1914-15 Star, and to most of those who were awarded the British War Medal - it was never awarded singly. These three medals were sometimes irreverently referred to as Pip, Squeak and Wilfred. My own Grandfather had these three medals. I also know from war archives and history that miners were recruited for their unique skills of mining. There are many stories of mining under the enemy trenches to blow up the enemy and many massive tunnels were mined as first aid stations and rest from the shelling of the front line so he could have been called up for service in this unique field. Much of this work is even today still being established and the reticence of the men who served in these days meant much of the history was never told
5. If I think of anything else will advise but the Remembrance Boards may be the first stop. If you do not live in the local area let me know and I will have a look at the records at the church and advise accordingly.
Best of luck with your research
Pip, Squeak and Wilfred
| 1914 Star and 1914-15 Star
|British War Medal 1914 - 1920
|Victory Medal 1914 - 1918
Back From The Field Of Conflict And Lost Their Lives In The Pits
The South Wales Echo, Monday 27th March 1995
I know Herbert is on the Stanley Church memorial as a Gunner. His family say he was injured and in Buxton hospital for quite a long time but I can't find evidence of this. I was hoping that if he was President of the West Hallam British Legion, as family says, then there may be some information in their records of his service. The family has his medals War and Victory . With Centenary memorial next year some more information about him might come to light.
Thanks for your reply.
From: Terry Hall
Sent: 28 April 2013
I am aware that all the little RBL Branches, after WWI, defaulted to the Rural Centre of Horsley Woodhouse. This branch is still in existence and still has its own building and HQ in the village.
I spoke to Don Barham, the Chairman, and gave him the information you have forwarded to me about Herbert Green. If you do have any other information it would make life easier.
The question I asked Don was, are there any archive history books of minutes or anything on Stanley and West Hallam Branches. The answer is possibly!! Apparently there is archive material going back many, many, years but Don will have to check how far they go back and he is going to check the 'Memorial Hall' tomorrow when he is there to see how far and what is available.
I would suggest you to contact Don direct via email. I do not know where you live (near or far?) but would suggest you may need to make an appointment to visit the Memorial Hall in Horsely Woodhouse to plough through books which I know from experience can be a time consuming job. However, if the minute books do exist then most records from this time will list the members attending what meeting. I hope this information is of help?
I have forwarded the history with this email so Don is up to speed with the background to your enquiry and I am sure he will assist all he can. I myself will also be interested in this revelation of old information and would appreciate being kept in the picture as I do have some abnormalities on WWI service of some names from both Stanley and Stanley Common. It would also be interesting to see if there is any news on the Stanley War Memorial as well as I spent hours at Matlock Archives but could find out very little.